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	<title>Comments on: Adobiture &#8211; Brave and measured or foolish?</title>
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		<title>By: Thomas Molitor</title>
		<link>http://www.blackbeak.com/2009/09/16/adobiture/comment-page-1/#comment-16637</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Molitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sellers of competing vendors of Omniture have told me for years “Omniture” buys business. Now, I believe them. Omniture lost $47 million on $295 million sales last report. You can’t be profitable on $295 million of sales I ask? Adobe paid $1.8 billion for Omniture, a 6 x price on unprofitable sales? Justified on the vision that content developers can now embed tagging from the start? You bet it&#039;s a good deal for Josh and Omniture. Financially. But I don&#039;t see the integration - either in product or sales orgs - to justify this price tag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sellers of competing vendors of Omniture have told me for years “Omniture” buys business. Now, I believe them. Omniture lost $47 million on $295 million sales last report. You can’t be profitable on $295 million of sales I ask? Adobe paid $1.8 billion for Omniture, a 6 x price on unprofitable sales? Justified on the vision that content developers can now embed tagging from the start? You bet it&#8217;s a good deal for Josh and Omniture. Financially. But I don&#8217;t see the integration &#8211; either in product or sales orgs &#8211; to justify this price tag.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Blackbeak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain Blackbeak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jukka/Alex;

One great thing to come of the acquisition is that designers and usability experts like yourselves are excited about this. It&#039;s woken the design industry up to the potential this acquisition offers to them. 

@Jukka;

It remains to be seen how this will affect Web Analytics consulting. I am optimistic personally because we do user experience analysis and usability studies as part of our current offering and I see this as potentially something that can help us bring together the in house design teams with the marketers. In order to improve conversion for instance I use competitive analysis (based on personas), clickstream analysis and user experience analysis combined. Therefore I see this additional design angle helping us.

@Alex;

I agree, it sounds great on paper. However while I don&#039;t doubt that they will integrate their tools in the manner you describe the fundamental problem Analytics has is integration within the enterprise. It&#039;s a cultural thing. I don&#039;t see how this acquisition will help this as most big companies outsource design. Also it&#039;s a big change in the way designers work and will take a long time to be widely adopted unless it&#039;s very easy, which I don&#039;t think it will be (based on experience with Omniture). 

WPP were my bet to acquire Omniture and that would have made a lot of sense because they could then use the tools to measure all of their clients campaigns taking the issue away from the enterprise and making it a necessary part of the marketing/advertising process.   

@Sampsa;

I&#039;m inclined to agree. It&#039;s going to be a long time before Adobe/Omniture works for designers in the way for instance Alex described. Most designers work offline on their design projects, so they&#039;re going to have to see the benefit very quickly to start using this new extra functionality, a lot of which they won&#039;t be used too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jukka/Alex;</p>
<p>One great thing to come of the acquisition is that designers and usability experts like yourselves are excited about this. It&#8217;s woken the design industry up to the potential this acquisition offers to them. </p>
<p>@Jukka;</p>
<p>It remains to be seen how this will affect Web Analytics consulting. I am optimistic personally because we do user experience analysis and usability studies as part of our current offering and I see this as potentially something that can help us bring together the in house design teams with the marketers. In order to improve conversion for instance I use competitive analysis (based on personas), clickstream analysis and user experience analysis combined. Therefore I see this additional design angle helping us.</p>
<p>@Alex;</p>
<p>I agree, it sounds great on paper. However while I don&#8217;t doubt that they will integrate their tools in the manner you describe the fundamental problem Analytics has is integration within the enterprise. It&#8217;s a cultural thing. I don&#8217;t see how this acquisition will help this as most big companies outsource design. Also it&#8217;s a big change in the way designers work and will take a long time to be widely adopted unless it&#8217;s very easy, which I don&#8217;t think it will be (based on experience with Omniture). </p>
<p>WPP were my bet to acquire Omniture and that would have made a lot of sense because they could then use the tools to measure all of their clients campaigns taking the issue away from the enterprise and making it a necessary part of the marketing/advertising process.   </p>
<p>@Sampsa;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m inclined to agree. It&#8217;s going to be a long time before Adobe/Omniture works for designers in the way for instance Alex described. Most designers work offline on their design projects, so they&#8217;re going to have to see the benefit very quickly to start using this new extra functionality, a lot of which they won&#8217;t be used too.</p>
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		<title>By: Sampsa Suoninen</title>
		<link>http://www.blackbeak.com/2009/09/16/adobiture/comment-page-1/#comment-16440</link>
		<dc:creator>Sampsa Suoninen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a big piece of news, but then again both companies have a history of buying their competitors or pieces to complete their offering. This however, in my opinion, is neither.

The way I see it Omniture products are ment to monitor and collect information about the interactions of people on the online, while Adobe products are usually something used offline, so analyzing them is not what this is about. Using tools designed to work with WWW and browsers will need extensive redesign to work measuring offline tools and I think its not even sensible.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I very much like the fact that this happened and I&#039;m anxious to see what this merger will bring and how they will co-operate. Also, I might be wrong (which I&#039;m not).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a big piece of news, but then again both companies have a history of buying their competitors or pieces to complete their offering. This however, in my opinion, is neither.</p>
<p>The way I see it Omniture products are ment to monitor and collect information about the interactions of people on the online, while Adobe products are usually something used offline, so analyzing them is not what this is about. Using tools designed to work with WWW and browsers will need extensive redesign to work measuring offline tools and I think its not even sensible.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I very much like the fact that this happened and I&#8217;m anxious to see what this merger will bring and how they will co-operate. Also, I might be wrong (which I&#8217;m not).</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.blackbeak.com/2009/09/16/adobiture/comment-page-1/#comment-16417</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would personally love to see some analytics and optimization capability within Adobe tools. No more arguing about subjective elements or wasted time vetting &amp; approving UI/design. For example, say a designer needs to create a landing page for a DVD player campaign. From within the Adobe tools the best layout, headlines, product images, and all the other elements are suggested based on past performance of similar campaigns. Once that page is launched, it will be self-optimizing based on real-time analytics and adjust design, layout, messaging, etc accordingly. The designer does not have to create iterative variations of these b/c the Adobe tools have done this for them as part of the publishing process. Think of it as modular web design with the ability to make informed choices via real customer data on what IA patterns and design elements should be used. I would see this getting into some predictive analysis including ROI when you use all the Omniture tools together. You could essentially model out ROI before development is done by factoring in PPC keyword bids, email marketing, expected web conversion, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would personally love to see some analytics and optimization capability within Adobe tools. No more arguing about subjective elements or wasted time vetting &amp; approving UI/design. For example, say a designer needs to create a landing page for a DVD player campaign. From within the Adobe tools the best layout, headlines, product images, and all the other elements are suggested based on past performance of similar campaigns. Once that page is launched, it will be self-optimizing based on real-time analytics and adjust design, layout, messaging, etc accordingly. The designer does not have to create iterative variations of these b/c the Adobe tools have done this for them as part of the publishing process. Think of it as modular web design with the ability to make informed choices via real customer data on what IA patterns and design elements should be used. I would see this getting into some predictive analysis including ROI when you use all the Omniture tools together. You could essentially model out ROI before development is done by factoring in PPC keyword bids, email marketing, expected web conversion, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Jukka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jukka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice analysis but is it fair to say that it is looked more from the web analytics point of view ? Is there  possibly synergies how the two companies tell about themselves (their abstract strategy) ? Adobe software and services revolutionize how the world engages with ideas and information — anytime, anywhere, and through any medium. + Web Analytics and Online Business Optimization Platform by Omniture. I can see some synergies and vision in the press release http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandomniture.html Integrating  content creation process with measuments sounds very nice but how will it affect web analytics consulting   ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice analysis but is it fair to say that it is looked more from the web analytics point of view ? Is there  possibly synergies how the two companies tell about themselves (their abstract strategy) ? Adobe software and services revolutionize how the world engages with ideas and information — anytime, anywhere, and through any medium. + Web Analytics and Online Business Optimization Platform by Omniture. I can see some synergies and vision in the press release <a href="http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandomniture.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandomniture.html</a> Integrating  content creation process with measuments sounds very nice but how will it affect web analytics consulting   ?</p>
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